Excellent, Jake. I was thinking a lot recently that the anti-Covid, "pro peace" anti-Ukraine, anti-Censorship Dissident scene had come full circle with demeaning the history of WWII to just another of these many "narratives" we have been fed. Pro-Hitler as the new "anti-elite" position if you can believe it. Anyway, the way I see it now this is going to be a lonely fight, if only the former "dissidents" fail to see how political pragmatism is ordered around US interests inclining towards Iran, not Israel, as you also pointed out in your other excellent piece for Unherd. This is going to be so much more difficult to untangle than the censorship state. Anyway, I have subscribed now.
The most charitable take on Tucker’s recurring dalliances with crackpots and conspiracists is that he recognizes the current establishment dispensation has drifted quite far from The Gods of the Copybook Headings and intends to illustrate that for his audience by a kind of ‘King Lear’s fool’ approach. The risk of course is that you spend too much time talking about UFOs etc. and everyone whose attention is worth anything tunes out forever.
There’s no possible way to be intellectually honest and not see that Stalin, in 1939, was the bad guy, and not Hitler. Stalin had killed 20 million by 38, Hitler Zero, and we went to war to save Stalin. Who at the outset of the war had 54 extermination camps operating in the Gulag archipelago. (And like 400 “work” camps). Stalin killed more civilians BEFORE the war than hitler killed DURING the war.
Barbarossa LITERALLY saved western civ. By the end of 42 Stalin would have had 100k tanks, 100k planes, and 10 million men under arms. Europe would have been swept away.
You think history is a marvel movie, and you’re irrationally angry about it. Are you still mad at Ghengis Khan too?
Nobody went to war to “save Stalin”. The British and French believed, not irrationally, that a Germany on the march which had already annexed Austria and Czechoslovakia posed a larger threat to them than a Soviet Union undergoing mass purges, famine, a crushing tyranny, and that had lost a war to Poland in 1920. They went to war to preserve their own positions in the European balance of power.
If they’d known how powerful the Soviet Union would become, that it would swallow Eastern Europe and become a superpower, would they have done it differently? I don’t know, nobody does. But only a fool judges historical actions with the benefit of hindsight. Their motivations and beliefs were completely logical. And they didn’t give a f-ck who was “the bad guy”, it was purely a matter of realpolitik.
The number of communists in the new deal regime and their actions prior to the onset of hostilities and throughout the war belie that court-history.
The people in power knew what Stalin had done. They could not “misjudge” who he was, they simply underestimated him.
These people built the Soviet Union. It was American loans and liaison know-how that built the industrial based that was going to allow him over-run Europe by 1943. Look up who Adam Schiff’s grandfather was. There was a huge class in the American elite that was communist, this was depression America. It was very cool to be communist and the Ivy leagues had been pumping them out since the 20s. This is the same class of people who produced the Cambridge and Oxford spy rings. The upper class of the Anglo west was absolutely filthy with communists by the end of the 30s.
Bingo. He wants to change the GOP in a post Trump era. Brand everyone a NeoCon, even those who are Jacksonians, so you can expand the definition of a RINO. The next step would be to ostracize the “Zionists” but not say Jews because people like Noam Chomsky on the left or even a Paul Gottfried on the right are welcome in the tent.
He’ll then ask questions like “why aren’t we aligned with Iran or other Arab nations? We used to be. They aren’t woke and their women aren’t begging for drugs in the streets.”
His new movement includes gays like Glenn Greenwald, Trad Catholics like Pat Buchanan, Ron Paul libertarians and Presbyterians such as himself. 😂 it’s a coalition that’ll last as long as Mike Bloombergs presidential campaign.
I think Vance, assuming he and Trump win, will have to decid which path the GOP will take. If it’s the Tucker path I think the GOP is a dead party.
Let me guess The US, founded by Presbyterians, is a Christian Nation? What are you talking about?
I noticed you ignored Hungary and Poland but I’ll let that slide.
Christianity is a tenant Western Civilization not a sole factor just as individualism (Protestant Philosophy) is a tenant. Protestants did not exist as western civilization was forming yet they contributed the what we know as The West today. Christianity did not exist without the Hebrew Bible. The commandments pre-date Christianity. This is basic stuff man.
To say one is part of a Western Civilization solely based on Christianity is absolute nonsense. Eastern Civilization is not categorized as The West even though many modern nations such as Lebanon and Syrian were Christian majorities.
Imagine claiming that Greco-Roman world is not the West because they weren’t Christians. You’d be laughed out the room.
Israel as it is today exists because of The West. Laws, Parliamentary system can be attributed to the European WESTERN (largely Protestant) influence.
You went down the rabbit hole with Talmud for some reason but I get people are distracted by irrelevant information and are Talmudic scholars all of a sudden. It’s the new trend.
USS Liberty - Error made. Compensation paid. Unless you know of evidence that shows intent I can’t really take you seriously. Why does incompetence always = conspiracy with you people? 😅
All progressivism is is Christianity without the deity. That whole “all Men are equal” is a uniquely Christian (and utterly false) idea. Your religion (liberal progressivism) is just Christianity with god replaced by “the downtrodden”
What world do you live in? Hizbollah is Shiite. The majority of terror orgs would be Sunni as they account for 90% of the Muslim population. Shiite just fund them. You don’t have to be a Neocon to understand that
You should care about both. You should also care about the drugs they are funding and pumping into your country. But maybe because it’s not China or a good Tucker Carlson monologue, it doesn’t matter?
Is it possible Carlson simply sees controversial guests and topics as a way to grow his new platform?
Controversy and insane takes get way more traffic than most other content.
His interview with Martyr Made dominated social media for a week and is still being talked about. I'm guessing between clips, mentions, posts, podcasts and the original interview he received billions of views/impressions/mentions.
Candace Owen's post about dinosaurs being fake or a candidate running in a weighted vest calling things gay get millions of impressions with very little effort.
If Tucker puts his massive reach and resources behind similar content he'll be the most viewed and potentially influential man in America.
Trifle histrionic all this, it’s one interview on one show.
So fine, the Enlightenment is dead. Good, it went way sour a long time ago.
Adapt to the times.
Everyone has a narrative, yes the WW2 narrative is done.
If Churchill’s Halo is revoked and Hitler is less the Eternal Satan of the world, fine.
Move on.
No longer center stage?
Be grateful.
It would be incompetent to want to be center stage in good times, these aren’t good times.
Revisionist? it can’t go unremarked certain people are being hoisted on their own petard, and turnabout is fair play.
Move on. Be happy to be off the stage.
Worry about those doing harm , and harm them instead.
Talk is done, because yes everyone is talking. Your people have work to do that isn’t talking, and doesn’t bear polite scrutiny.
Nothing could be more beneficial than to be just another people who shouldn’t be lightly crossed. Otherwise, not at the forefront of others mind.
Yes. There’s an agenda on the American Right to stop expeditionary wars from America. To pull back, to end the alliances. If this means the WW2 simplistic hysteria that’s been history is revised to be put in perspective… so be it. Let it happen, because it’s happening anyway.
The audience is being told we can stop fighting WW2. We have our own wars to fight now.
WW2 institutionalized emergency government, complete with an Administrative State that is guarded by a National Security state whose time has passed. If Churchill takes a hit on his somewhat inflated reputation he’d understand. He did in 1945 elections.
Methinks you give Tucker way too much influence, and far too little credit to the intelligence of many who watch him but don’t necessarily agree with him on everything he says or everyone he features. He interviewed Putin for heaven’s sake! It was interesting and newsworthy, thought I did think he did an awful job himself as an interviewer.
Where Tucker gets himself into trouble is his ironclad Isolationism. “All war, including historical wars are bad. Period.”
That gross historical ignorance and naïveté leaves him vulnerable to all sorts of nonsense and thus he easily falls prey to it.
I do not think for a minute that he has some sort of sinister agenda for MAGA or the Right, or Trump or anyone. He’s just a stubborn and proud person, and his silence in addressing this brouhaha reveals that and to a large degree exacerbates it. He’s got to know he’s stirred up a hornets nest yet he refuses to address it formally. That, to me, is a tacit admission that he feels he’s done nothing worth recanting, or even just clarifying. That’s even more troublesome. But more a result of his own pride than anything else.
Hopefully he will come to see the error of his ways and thinking.
In the meantime, per usual, I may continue to watch some of his programming if the guest interests me. But he has gone way down in my book as any kind of a fully reliable speaker of truth, or even just a smart person.
Definitely this substack will grow, it has content not found in any other place.
He literally just parroted the most stale, mainstream thing imaginable
I do not know what you call "mainstream".
I see that the only substack you pay for in the antisemite martyr.
Darryl is an antisemitic moron, and you pay for it. Tells a lot about you.
Excellent, Jake. I was thinking a lot recently that the anti-Covid, "pro peace" anti-Ukraine, anti-Censorship Dissident scene had come full circle with demeaning the history of WWII to just another of these many "narratives" we have been fed. Pro-Hitler as the new "anti-elite" position if you can believe it. Anyway, the way I see it now this is going to be a lonely fight, if only the former "dissidents" fail to see how political pragmatism is ordered around US interests inclining towards Iran, not Israel, as you also pointed out in your other excellent piece for Unherd. This is going to be so much more difficult to untangle than the censorship state. Anyway, I have subscribed now.
It’s objectively, factually clear that we were on the wrong side of World War 2 (and WW1)
Stalin had 20 million bodies in the ground by 1938. In 1939 he WAS the bad guy. And we went to war to save him.
You’re looking at history backwards, if we don’t attack Germany then the holocaust doesn’t occur
Really good column.
The most charitable take on Tucker’s recurring dalliances with crackpots and conspiracists is that he recognizes the current establishment dispensation has drifted quite far from The Gods of the Copybook Headings and intends to illustrate that for his audience by a kind of ‘King Lear’s fool’ approach. The risk of course is that you spend too much time talking about UFOs etc. and everyone whose attention is worth anything tunes out forever.
There’s no possible way to be intellectually honest and not see that Stalin, in 1939, was the bad guy, and not Hitler. Stalin had killed 20 million by 38, Hitler Zero, and we went to war to save Stalin. Who at the outset of the war had 54 extermination camps operating in the Gulag archipelago. (And like 400 “work” camps). Stalin killed more civilians BEFORE the war than hitler killed DURING the war.
Barbarossa LITERALLY saved western civ. By the end of 42 Stalin would have had 100k tanks, 100k planes, and 10 million men under arms. Europe would have been swept away.
You think history is a marvel movie, and you’re irrationally angry about it. Are you still mad at Ghengis Khan too?
Nobody went to war to “save Stalin”. The British and French believed, not irrationally, that a Germany on the march which had already annexed Austria and Czechoslovakia posed a larger threat to them than a Soviet Union undergoing mass purges, famine, a crushing tyranny, and that had lost a war to Poland in 1920. They went to war to preserve their own positions in the European balance of power.
If they’d known how powerful the Soviet Union would become, that it would swallow Eastern Europe and become a superpower, would they have done it differently? I don’t know, nobody does. But only a fool judges historical actions with the benefit of hindsight. Their motivations and beliefs were completely logical. And they didn’t give a f-ck who was “the bad guy”, it was purely a matter of realpolitik.
The number of communists in the new deal regime and their actions prior to the onset of hostilities and throughout the war belie that court-history.
The people in power knew what Stalin had done. They could not “misjudge” who he was, they simply underestimated him.
These people built the Soviet Union. It was American loans and liaison know-how that built the industrial based that was going to allow him over-run Europe by 1943. Look up who Adam Schiff’s grandfather was. There was a huge class in the American elite that was communist, this was depression America. It was very cool to be communist and the Ivy leagues had been pumping them out since the 20s. This is the same class of people who produced the Cambridge and Oxford spy rings. The upper class of the Anglo west was absolutely filthy with communists by the end of the 30s.
Bingo. He wants to change the GOP in a post Trump era. Brand everyone a NeoCon, even those who are Jacksonians, so you can expand the definition of a RINO. The next step would be to ostracize the “Zionists” but not say Jews because people like Noam Chomsky on the left or even a Paul Gottfried on the right are welcome in the tent.
He’ll then ask questions like “why aren’t we aligned with Iran or other Arab nations? We used to be. They aren’t woke and their women aren’t begging for drugs in the streets.”
His new movement includes gays like Glenn Greenwald, Trad Catholics like Pat Buchanan, Ron Paul libertarians and Presbyterians such as himself. 😂 it’s a coalition that’ll last as long as Mike Bloombergs presidential campaign.
I think Vance, assuming he and Trump win, will have to decid which path the GOP will take. If it’s the Tucker path I think the GOP is a dead party.
Let me guess The US, founded by Presbyterians, is a Christian Nation? What are you talking about?
I noticed you ignored Hungary and Poland but I’ll let that slide.
Christianity is a tenant Western Civilization not a sole factor just as individualism (Protestant Philosophy) is a tenant. Protestants did not exist as western civilization was forming yet they contributed the what we know as The West today. Christianity did not exist without the Hebrew Bible. The commandments pre-date Christianity. This is basic stuff man.
To say one is part of a Western Civilization solely based on Christianity is absolute nonsense. Eastern Civilization is not categorized as The West even though many modern nations such as Lebanon and Syrian were Christian majorities.
Imagine claiming that Greco-Roman world is not the West because they weren’t Christians. You’d be laughed out the room.
Israel as it is today exists because of The West. Laws, Parliamentary system can be attributed to the European WESTERN (largely Protestant) influence.
You went down the rabbit hole with Talmud for some reason but I get people are distracted by irrelevant information and are Talmudic scholars all of a sudden. It’s the new trend.
USS Liberty - Error made. Compensation paid. Unless you know of evidence that shows intent I can’t really take you seriously. Why does incompetence always = conspiracy with you people? 😅
All progressivism is is Christianity without the deity. That whole “all Men are equal” is a uniquely Christian (and utterly false) idea. Your religion (liberal progressivism) is just Christianity with god replaced by “the downtrodden”
Exactly.
What world do you live in? Hizbollah is Shiite. The majority of terror orgs would be Sunni as they account for 90% of the Muslim population. Shiite just fund them. You don’t have to be a Neocon to understand that
Depends on what you define as The West.
Attacks is Spain, Israel and Argentina. I’m not even including Turkey and Bulgaria.
Remember your comment was :
“Sunnis are the ones who commit terror attacks.”
You might want to revise that
You should care about both. You should also care about the drugs they are funding and pumping into your country. But maybe because it’s not China or a good Tucker Carlson monologue, it doesn’t matter?
Is it possible Carlson simply sees controversial guests and topics as a way to grow his new platform?
Controversy and insane takes get way more traffic than most other content.
His interview with Martyr Made dominated social media for a week and is still being talked about. I'm guessing between clips, mentions, posts, podcasts and the original interview he received billions of views/impressions/mentions.
Candace Owen's post about dinosaurs being fake or a candidate running in a weighted vest calling things gay get millions of impressions with very little effort.
If Tucker puts his massive reach and resources behind similar content he'll be the most viewed and potentially influential man in America.
It’s not controversial to think we were on the wrong side of WW2 when Stalin killed more civilians before the war than Hitler killed during the war.
You remember Stalin, that guy FDR went to war to save?
Ask yourself why you get so emotional and irrational about the subject.
Darryl Cooper is dsr from controversial.....
He worked for the DoD. Worked in Israel with the Israeli military.
Far*
He also had about twice the IQ and 700x the historical knowledge as this Siegel guy who just shoots bullshit from the hip
Trifle histrionic all this, it’s one interview on one show.
So fine, the Enlightenment is dead. Good, it went way sour a long time ago.
Adapt to the times.
Everyone has a narrative, yes the WW2 narrative is done.
If Churchill’s Halo is revoked and Hitler is less the Eternal Satan of the world, fine.
Move on.
No longer center stage?
Be grateful.
It would be incompetent to want to be center stage in good times, these aren’t good times.
Revisionist? it can’t go unremarked certain people are being hoisted on their own petard, and turnabout is fair play.
Move on. Be happy to be off the stage.
Worry about those doing harm , and harm them instead.
Talk is done, because yes everyone is talking. Your people have work to do that isn’t talking, and doesn’t bear polite scrutiny.
Nothing could be more beneficial than to be just another people who shouldn’t be lightly crossed. Otherwise, not at the forefront of others mind.
Yes. There’s an agenda on the American Right to stop expeditionary wars from America. To pull back, to end the alliances. If this means the WW2 simplistic hysteria that’s been history is revised to be put in perspective… so be it. Let it happen, because it’s happening anyway.
Relax. Or not. It’s one show.
The audience is being told we can stop fighting WW2. We have our own wars to fight now.
WW2 institutionalized emergency government, complete with an Administrative State that is guarded by a National Security state whose time has passed. If Churchill takes a hit on his somewhat inflated reputation he’d understand. He did in 1945 elections.
The ghosts of the past can’t be used anymore to justify the excesses of the present.
Yeah, I took off on it back in March, less seriously, but still: https://smokeempodcast.substack.com/p/guest-post-what-tucker-doesnt-understand
Methinks you give Tucker way too much influence, and far too little credit to the intelligence of many who watch him but don’t necessarily agree with him on everything he says or everyone he features. He interviewed Putin for heaven’s sake! It was interesting and newsworthy, thought I did think he did an awful job himself as an interviewer.
Where Tucker gets himself into trouble is his ironclad Isolationism. “All war, including historical wars are bad. Period.”
That gross historical ignorance and naïveté leaves him vulnerable to all sorts of nonsense and thus he easily falls prey to it.
I do not think for a minute that he has some sort of sinister agenda for MAGA or the Right, or Trump or anyone. He’s just a stubborn and proud person, and his silence in addressing this brouhaha reveals that and to a large degree exacerbates it. He’s got to know he’s stirred up a hornets nest yet he refuses to address it formally. That, to me, is a tacit admission that he feels he’s done nothing worth recanting, or even just clarifying. That’s even more troublesome. But more a result of his own pride than anything else.
Hopefully he will come to see the error of his ways and thinking.
In the meantime, per usual, I may continue to watch some of his programming if the guest interests me. But he has gone way down in my book as any kind of a fully reliable speaker of truth, or even just a smart person.
You little 🐀. Trolling for fun? Jewish Derangement Syndrome gotten to you?